Exemption from Having an SSN
My 16 year old son is in the process of getting is Wisconsin class D operator’s license. He decided some months ago to avail himself of a little known (and never advertised) provision of Wisconsin State law which requires the DMV to create a DMV without a social security number.
As part of the new and unconstitutional process for the implementation of this statue and transportation regulation, my son and I travelled to Madison so he could be interviewed on the nature and sincerity of his religious beliefs; an inquiry into his religious purity if you will.
The question I have for this small audience is this. How do you file for and receive an exemption from having an SSN? During this interview the interviewer from the DMV asked if either my son or I had filed for and/or received an exemption from having a social security number. I have ask for just such an exemption over the course of the last two decades and have been consistently told NO. There is no procedure for exemption from having an SSN.
Clearly I was wrong. The DMV knows that such exemptions are possible and have been granted or it would not have been part of the administrative hearing. The exemption from using an SSN for a WI driver’s license is little because unless you ask for the proper form by NUMBER, you will be told no such form exists and that you must provide a SSN to get a driver's license.
I would like to file for and gets this exemption. I suspect the federal version of this exemption is the same as the state's version. It is a secret unless you ask for the precise forms by number and cite the correct, arcane, implementing federal regulations. If anyone knows how this is done, please leave a comment to this blog article.
As part of the new and unconstitutional process for the implementation of this statue and transportation regulation, my son and I travelled to Madison so he could be interviewed on the nature and sincerity of his religious beliefs; an inquiry into his religious purity if you will.
The question I have for this small audience is this. How do you file for and receive an exemption from having an SSN? During this interview the interviewer from the DMV asked if either my son or I had filed for and/or received an exemption from having a social security number. I have ask for just such an exemption over the course of the last two decades and have been consistently told NO. There is no procedure for exemption from having an SSN.
Clearly I was wrong. The DMV knows that such exemptions are possible and have been granted or it would not have been part of the administrative hearing. The exemption from using an SSN for a WI driver’s license is little because unless you ask for the proper form by NUMBER, you will be told no such form exists and that you must provide a SSN to get a driver's license.
I would like to file for and gets this exemption. I suspect the federal version of this exemption is the same as the state's version. It is a secret unless you ask for the precise forms by number and cite the correct, arcane, implementing federal regulations. If anyone knows how this is done, please leave a comment to this blog article.
posted by John Washburn | 7:26 AM
8 Comments:
Mr. Washburn - My guess is that you have misinterpreted the intent of the exemption form. In this case, and probably in all others, the requested exemption is for you to be allowed to not use your SSN where it would typically be required. So, every institution that requests your SSN as part of their process would require an SSN exemption request to be filed before they would make other allowances. Beautiful, is it not?
I am unsure what a federal exemption would get you? I assume you have been asked for your Social Security Number from a federal organization other than the IRS. Since your SSN was generated by and in s sense belongs to the IRS, asking them to allow you to use a different identifier seems pointless. An interesting point to consider is under what grounds the IRS will allow you to change your identifier. What other federal agency/organization has requested your SSN?
I don't know what this exemption is.
The DMV had as a standard question on their hearing form: Have you applied for or recieved an exemption from using the Social Security Number?
Clearly, the DMV believes such exemptions exist and are used.
Apparently you need to obtain (from the local Social Security office)form SSA-L676 which will delineate your ineligibility for a Social Security number. Reasons for ineligibility can, I believe, include your beliefs on the subject - i.e. religious, moral, ethical objections.
I believe you can have a Taxpayer's Identification Number in lieu of a SSN, however in relation to driver's licenses, I'm not sure how all that works.
If I remember correctly, an SSN cannot be used as identification. I believe it used to say that directly on the SSN card itself, though it seems to have been removed. As far as I know, it cannot be legally required for identification though.
To claim a religious conviction exemption under Wisconsin DOT rule Trans 102.15(5)(b) you used to need to fill out form MV3415.
Now the new, (in my opinion unconstitutional form) is form MV2958.
Neither of these forms is available on the Wisconsin DMV website, but if you go to a DMV station and ask for them by NUMBER then you will be given the requested forms.
Count on the DMV to make things more difficult. Of course, if you actually tell people it's optional to have an SSN, they might actually choose not to participate!
Yes, they make it difficult, but they have done so for the 20 years I have been claiming the exemption.
The form is secret in the sense is never advertised. If you ask for it by number the person at the counter will not know what it is. But, if you ask them to get the supervisor, then the form is found in the files.
The question from the DMV about an exemption from the SSA leads me to believe there is another obscure, never advertised form/procedure at the social security administration to get a similar exemption to the SSN from the SSA.
This obscured and unadvertised form is what I was looking for with this blog entry.
From SSA-L676 is a certification FROM the SSA that the bearer is ineligible for Social Security and thus CANNOT be issued a SSN.
This is not my situation as I was born in Illinois and thus I am eligible for social security if I want to enroll.
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