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Wednesday, September 19, 2007

Tasered America

As many of you have probably seen the government of the United States is now tasering people for peacefully asking inconvenient questions of those in power. If you have not here are two YouTube videos of the incident;

As conservative writer Craig Roberts points out: America is No More. The saddest irony is that this happened on September 17, Constitution Day. The point of Mr. Craig's article should not be lost. The agents of the state (the police in this case, BATF and marshals in others) commit brutalityand violate both the Constitution and their oaths to uphold it in broad daylight because no one, not rich or poor, not the powerful or the common is outraged by it. As a matter of fact most in the crowd initially cheered.

Some have commented that the young man's fears of being disappeared (at the end of the second video clip) are unfounded. But, are they? How far are we from the disappearing of people as happened under Juan and Eva Peron, Pinochet, Noriega, or Somoza?

I have been asked why I think government may be unnecessary and my stock response is to ask back what is the difference between the Government and the Mob? What is the difference between the Chicago Police and Al Capone's white fedoras? The answer is brutally simple, government agents can do things and the people of society will watch and cheer where if criminals do the same things the people of society resist, report and fight back. What makes this incident particularly grotesque is that a US Senator (nor any of his body guards) did not come to this citizen’s defense. The crowd did nothing.

How low the mighty have fallen.

The closest thing to resistance is a WOMAN yelling at the police to stop. How far are we from the blood of assassination staining the Senate steps and the august senator Kerry and his 99 brothers stepping over puddle to get to their offices?

We, as a society, are unworthy of the freedom granted to us by a loving creator.


Blogger Real Debate said...

John you are dead wrong.

Our right to speech does not extend to our right to jump around, be an idiot and disturb the peace.

The man was asked to stop and he resisted arrest.

The time to resist is in the legal process if his rights were violated.

If you do not want to be tasered, don't resist.

He jumped around and made a big deal to be noticed, and he succeeded in that endeavor.

His rights were not violated in any way.

He asked for it.

He got it.

Wed Sep 19, 12:14:00 PM CDT  
Blogger John Washburn said...

Clearly, we are not going to agree on this, but I have to ask where exactly was the resisting arrest and where was the disturbance? An invited questioner asking a question even insistantly is not inciting a riot (the charge profered by the police in video clip two).

I pray that when you are tasered two years from now while asking hard questions about the policies of President Hillary, you will find yourself among a crowd of free Americans instead of USA sheeple.

Wed Sep 19, 01:44:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Real Debate said...

Did you not see this person jumping around and screaming when the police were trying to stop him?

If you want trouble, resist arrest.

If his rights were being violated fine, there are other avenues.

This is simple John.

Don't mess with the cops and you won't get hurt. He was disturbing the peace at a minimum.

I don't give a rats behind what his politics are this is just a basic principle.

Wed Sep 19, 04:40:00 PM CDT  
Blogger John Washburn said...

If you will watch the the first video at 2:21 the Kerry aid in the suit and tie signals to cut off the questioning.

At that point the questioner is attacked without provocation and hauled off by two officers in a submission hold.

Screaming for help and writhing in pain do not constitute resisting arrest inciting a riot. The charge the police claim was the probable cause for the attack.

You make my case well.

We Americans have fallen far when the tradition-conserving position is the guys with shiny badges, jack leather boots, and guns can do no wrong.

When the police mess with you no matter how unconstitutional or unprovoked, your advice is to crouch down and lick the hand which feed us or lick the boot that kicks us.

I fear we have lost our love for the animating contest of freedom and have settled for the tranquility of servitude.

Wed Sep 19, 05:51:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Real Debate said...

So then it is Ok to jump around and scream and yell like an idiot in the middle of an organized event?

I don't think so.

This guy is guilty at a minimum of disturbing the peace, he struggled against police.

The poice used non lethal force to bring him under control after multiple attempts to get him to go quietly.

No issues.

Thu Sep 20, 01:44:00 PM CDT  
Blogger John Washburn said...

First, Tasers are not non-lethal. Tasers are less lethal than lead from a gun true, even in metro Milwaukee Tasers kill.

Are you saying that if instead of the police it was the boys from the mythical Delta Alpha Delta fraternity providing security to this piece of private property, that tasering the guy would be OK?

Fri Sep 21, 08:54:00 AM CDT  
Blogger Real Debate said...

Seems taser boy agrees with me John.3

“I made the decision to supersede the rules, and for that I apologize,” Meyer wrote. “I should have acted calmer and obeyed the directives of the officers. If I had, none of the subsequent issues would ever have arisen.”

Tue Oct 30, 11:30:00 AM CDT  

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